May one say 'my utterance of the Qur'an is created', or suspend judgement on its createdness?

هل يقال: لفظي بالقرآن مخلوق؟ وهل يسع الوقف في خلق القرآن؟

After the inquisition over the createdness of the Qur'an two positions appeared that Ahmad ibn Hanbal, in reports from him, counted among the branches of the Jahmiyya: that of the 'Lafziyya', that the Qur'an is God's uncreated speech but our utterance and recitation of it are created – attributed to Husayn al-Karabisi – and that of the 'Waqifa', who say 'God's speech' but neither 'created' nor 'uncreated'. His son Abd Allah's Kitab al-Sunna relates his rejection of both and his distinctions in judging those who held them.

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After the question of the createdness of the Qur'an, two related positions appeared in the third century: that of those who said the Qur'an is God's uncreated speech but "my utterance of the Qur'an is created", and that of those who suspended judgement, saying neither created nor uncreated. Abd Allah ibn Ahmad, in his Kitab al-Sunna, gathers what he heard from his father Ahmad ibn Hanbal on both, and his editor Adil Al Hamdan adds texts from other books of the Sunna in the notes. 1 2

The Lafziyya

The editor quotes Harb al-Kirmani's definition in his Sunna: the Lafziyya are those who say the Qur'an is God's speech, but our utterances, recitation and reading of it are created; and he quotes from al-Khallal Ahmad's saying that the Jahmiyya divided into three branches: those who say "created", those who doubted, and those who said "our utterances of the Qur'an are created". 1 The editor states that the first to introduce the doctrine of utterance was Husayn al-Karabisi (d. 248 AH). 1

Abd Allah relates that he asked his father about a man who says: recitation is created, our utterances of the Qur'an are created, and the Qur'an is God's speech and not created – is he called an innovator? He replied: he is to be shunned; this is the innovator's view and the speech of the Jahmiyya; the Qur'an is not created. 3 A note relates from Abu Ja'far ibn Badina that Ahmad warned him repeatedly against al-Karabisi and said all this comes from the doctrine of Jahm. 3

The Waqifa

The editor quotes Harb al-Kirmani's definition: the Waqifa are those who say "the Qur'an is God's speech" but will not say "uncreated". 2 Among the reports from Ahmad in the note: that they are "a kind of Jahmiyya who hid behind suspending judgement", and Abu Dawud's report that he was asked whether a man may say "God's speech" and then be silent; he replied: why be silent? Were it not for what people have fallen into, silence would be allowed him; but since they have spoken, why should they not speak? 2

Distinctions in judgement

Abd Allah relates that his father, asked about the Waqifa, said: whoever of them disputes and is known for theology is a Jahmi; whoever is not known for theology is to be shunned until he returns; whoever has no knowledge is to ask and learn. Asked once about the Lafziyya and the Waqifa, he said: whoever of them is ignorant, not learned, let him ask and learn; and on another occasion: whoever of them is skilled in theology is a Jahmi. 4 The editor quotes Ibn Abi Hatim that one who suspends judgement on the Qur'an out of ignorance is taught and declared an innovator, not an unbeliever, while one who doubts it and suspends judgement in doubt is a Jahmi. 4 The book itself opens with Ahmad's saying that whoever says the Qur'an is created is in our view an unbeliever, since the Qur'an is part of God's knowledge. 5

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The views of the Lafziyya and the Waqifa here come from their hadith-scholar opponents, not from their own books; the position of the Ash'ari and other theologians on the question of utterance, and academic studies of the inquisition and its aftermath, have not yet been added.

Opinions on the question

The question: The ruling on saying that one's utterance of the Qur'an is created, and on suspending judgement whether the Qur'an is created or not.

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One may not say 'my utterance of the Qur'an is created', nor suspend judgement once people have spoken

Asked about one who says recitation is created, our utterances of the Qur'an are created and the Qur'an is God's uncreated speech, he said: he is to be shunned; this is the innovator's view and the speech of the Jahmiyya. On the Waqifa and the Lafziyya: whoever disputes and is known for theology is a Jahmi; whoever is not known for it is shunned until he returns; whoever has no knowledge is to ask and learn.

Held by: Ahmad ibn HanbalAbdullah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal

Basis: Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 Kitab al-Sunna, reports 161–168 and 209–211, scan pp. 93–95 and 118

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Other viewSecondary opinion

The Lafziyya as their opponents describe them: the Qur'an is God's uncreated speech, but our utterances and recitation of it are created

In Harb al-Kirmani's definition, which the editor quotes; the editor says the first to introduce the doctrine of utterance was Husayn al-Karabisi (d. 248 AH). Their own words from their books have not been added.

Held by: Al Karabisi

Basis: Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 editor's note p. 92

Other viewSecondary opinion

The Waqifa as their opponents describe them: the Qur'an is God's speech, and we say neither created nor uncreated

In Harb al-Kirmani's definition; in Ibrahim ibn al-Harith's report Ahmad said he had heard that Ibn al-Mu'adhdhal held this view and that many people of Basra had been led astray by it.

Basis: Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 editor's note p. 117

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Sources

  1. Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 , p. 92
  2. Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 , p. 117
  3. Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 , p. 93
  4. Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 , p. 118
  5. Kitab al-Sunna of Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ed. Adil ibn Abd Allah Al Hamdan, Dar al-Lu'lu'a, Beirut, 4th ed., 1441 AH / 2020 , p. 25
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